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Title: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: Jafaelo on June 16, 2015, 11:13:30 am
Cuz I got this today and nobody else in the world cares, but it took a fucking long time.  Every WoW grind pales in comparison.
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: CliK on June 16, 2015, 11:38:57 am
Congrats sir. You have only 497 more wins than me.
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: Schnure on June 16, 2015, 11:58:31 am
499 more than me, I think.

Regardless, congrats. That's no small achievement right there.
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: DustinFedora on June 16, 2015, 02:26:02 pm
Congrats indeed. I am as well no where close to a golden hero, but I am curious: Is it possible to toggle it off, or is your Uther now permanently golden?

Also, what's your current paladin decklist?
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: Jafaelo on June 16, 2015, 03:28:22 pm
I believe he's perma-gold.  I'm currently running 3 pally decks, 2 of which i used to grind out the last 60 or so wins.

Mid-Range deck I got most of my wins with

Humility
2xEquality
2xKnife Juggalo
2xShielded Minibot
2xWild Pyromancer
2xMuster for Battle
2xAldor Peacekeeper
Big Game Hunter
2xTruesilver Champion
2xConsecration
2xPiloted Shredder
Antique Healbot
Harrison Jones
Loatheb
2xSludge Belcher
Emperor Thaurissan
Sylvanas
Dr. Boom
Lay on Hands
Tirion Fordring


Aggro Paladin deck named "Face Fucked by the Light"

Avenge
2x Blessing of Might
2x NOble Sacrifice
2x Abusive Sergeant
2x Leper Gnome
Worgen Infiltrator
Equality
Bluegill Warrior
Dire Wolf Alpha
Ironbeak Owl
2x Knife Juggalo
2x Shielded Minibot
Sword of Justice
2x Divine Favor
2x Muster for Battle
2x Arcane Golem
2x Truesilver Champion
2x Consecration
Avenging Wrath

I also play a pirate pally which I'm falling in love with, even though it is not that great.




Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: Zarniwoop on June 17, 2015, 01:35:08 am
Congrats! That is quite the dedication!
I've seen some people play Pirate Pally and it looks hilarious; and I'm all for the silly fun decks even if they're not the best
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: Lightstalker on June 17, 2015, 07:25:45 pm
Congratz. i think i have between 20-20 wins on three heros thats it
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: DustinFedora on June 18, 2015, 12:32:20 am
Here's a nice lore interaction for you Jafa:  I played against a hunter with the Alleria skin for the first time this evening and beat her to death with Sylvanas.
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: Lightstalker on June 18, 2015, 06:46:13 am
lol you already bought the new heros well done.

and nice lore reference
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: Jafaelo on June 18, 2015, 08:35:29 am
Haha that's appropriate.  I'm really surprised they didn't add any new interactons.  Alleria and Sylvanas should definitely say something when they are played together.  And last I checked Cairn still says "Garrosh, you are not fit to rule the horde" when played against Magni.  That's kind of a bummer.
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: DustinFedora on June 18, 2015, 11:25:09 am
lol you already bought the new heros well done.

and nice lore reference

To be clear, I was playing priest with Sylvanas against an Alleria hunter. I have a soul and thus do not play hunter.

But yes, I am also disappointed in the lack of interaction. That game was my first experience with any hero skin and I didn't think about it at the time, but things like the Cairne line show a distinct lack of follow-through.
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: Jafaelo on June 18, 2015, 11:38:44 am
Also they may have fixed it already but when Alleria used the Animal COmpanion card it still said "To my side!" in Rexxar's voice.
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: Lightstalker on June 18, 2015, 10:11:52 pm
i will only spend real money on one thing........a DK class hero
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: Jafaelo on June 18, 2015, 10:50:52 pm
I've spent.... far too much on cards.  And I still dont have anywhere near a complete collection.
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: Jafaelo on September 03, 2015, 10:34:35 pm
No big deal, just a golden Justicar Truehart, and an Aviana in the following pack. 

Spent 30 bucks opening night for nothing, 10 bucks tonight gets me my first golden legendary, a second legendary, and a couple golden epics.
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: DustinFedora on September 03, 2015, 10:43:43 pm
Niiiiiiiiiiiiice. Does she make your new Hero Power golden also?
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: Zarniwoop on September 04, 2015, 08:58:59 am
Niiiiiiiiiiiiice. Does she make your new Hero Power golden also?
That makes me wonder - does a golden Executus turn the player into a golden Rag?
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: CliK on September 04, 2015, 12:33:14 pm
No big deal, just a golden Justicar Truehart, and an Aviana in the following pack. 

Spent 30 bucks opening night for nothing, 10 bucks tonight gets me my first golden legendary, a second legendary, and a couple golden epics.

So how much money have you put into this game? You up to 4 digits yet?

I think this is why I don't like the game so much. It kind of follows the pay to win model that I so despise. That and the matchmaking is absolutely shit. Among other things..
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: Jafaelo on September 04, 2015, 01:17:10 pm
It doesn't follow a pay to win model at all.  You have to pay to be competitive with multiple decks but having all the cards does NOT mean you will reach legend anytime soon.  If you simply invest the amount of money you would to buy the game ($40-$50) you will get a nice selection of cards to build a competitive deck, then you can run arenas and do quests to make gold to buy more packs and slowly fill out your collection.  There are very cheap decks that can get you to legend just as easily as one with 8 legendaries, arguably faster.  Look up Face Hunter or Zoo Warlock.   Face hunter is one of the best and fastest decks in the game and has no legendaries or epics.

As for me, I love opening packs.  And since I came into posession of 3 years of free wow, I put my wow sub money into hearthstone, and then if I get frustrated I might go drop a few bucks on a few packs to take the edge off.  I've definitely spent a few hundred bucks on the game, but nowhere near wow levels.

But I'm telling you, if you cared, you could build a face hunter tomorrow, practice, never spend a dollar, and eventually hit legend (once you learned the game).


That said you're right, matchmaking isn't great and the ladder system needs a revamp.  But I'm pretty sure that's in the pipeline.
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: DustinFedora on September 04, 2015, 01:35:11 pm
I think this is why I don't like the game so much. It kind of follows the pay to win model that I so despise. That and the matchmaking is absolutely shit. Among other things..

All CCGs will contain at least a small "pay to win" element. It's the biggest downside to the genre and if you're not a fan that's cool, but really Hearthstone's business model is on the more consumer-friendly side of the spectrum. While it's true you cannot directly trade cards with other players as you can in other large CCGs, there is a card crafting system and you can get a lot of cards for free each week, so it's pretty much a wash. Provided you are diligent about the quest system (admittedly a pain at times), by the time you've put in enough hours to get good at the game, you'll have built up enough resources to have a decent size collection, certainly enough for a good deck or two plus the tools to tweak it as you move up the ladder.

Believe me, you put a proven deck, full of epics and legendaries, in the hands of a lesser experienced (or simply worse) player, and that person will lose to decks of nothing but commons and rares in the hands of someone more skilled.

Now you may have a point in about a year's time if Blizzard doesn't restrict the cards that can be played on ladder. As the game grows and more cards come out, being able to draw from the entire stock of cards, as a long-time player can, erects a massive barrier to entry for new players, forcing them to put in a ton of time or money to be competitive, but the game isn't to that point yet.

What issues have you guys had with matchmaking? I have had very few, and none since they tweaked the non-ladder matchmaking a while back.
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: CliK on September 04, 2015, 01:35:22 pm
It would be so much better if you could complete quests against the AI. Why the fuck do I have to play against people when I have no fucking clue what I'm doing or have a deck setup at all? Then you would be able to build your decks without the stress of getting completely stomped 10 games in a row before you get your first win for said quest. They do it with hots, why don't they do it with hearthstone :(.

The concept of the game intriguing me, but the broken matchmaking and inability to make any worthwhile decks without paying just break my heart makes me hate the game. I've quit games before because the matchmaking isn't balanced. (*cough* fuck you Starcraft 2 *cough*). I'm too much of a competitor to be getting rofl stomped all the damn time.

What issues have you guys had with matchmaking? I have had very few, and none since they tweaked the non-ladder matchmaking a while back.

When I tried to play hearthstone (again). I got matched up against people that had decks built, and took me out in 6 turns or less. For. Multiple. Games. The one person I could beat, got super lucky and got another taunt character right when he needed it and prevented me from winning.
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: Jafaelo on September 04, 2015, 02:16:02 pm
Well you have to lose to get down to the right MMR.  You could just throw 5 games in a row and you'd probably be down into the people with less skill.

Do you net-deck at all?  The easiest way to get good is to find a proven deck online, copy it, and play some games.  Then you'll know it isn't your deck that's the problem.  You can work on deck building once you get better.

You also need to adapt to the "meta".  If you're being taken out on turn 6 that means you are facing a lot of aggro, which means you need to put cards in your deck that counter aggro.  Taunts, heals, etc.  That's why I love hearthstone, it isn't about throwing cards together and diving in, you have to know the state of the game as a whole, and learn how other classes play.
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: Jafaelo on September 04, 2015, 02:23:54 pm
http://www.hearthpwn.com/decks/276624-s16-legendary-aggro-paladin (http://www.hearthpwn.com/decks/276624-s16-legendary-aggro-paladin)

There's an article that features a cheap, meta-effective aggro paladin deck.  It explains the cards, the mulligan, and basically how to play the deck.  It's basically an updated version of the deck i cut my teeth on (aggro paladin is fun: slam face, don't really trade, win by turn 6).  Only one epic card that could be traded for a Sen'Jin Shieldmasta or other low cost taunt.

Not trying to sell you on a game you've decided you don't like.  Just saying that there are ways to learn and improve that maybe you didn't know about.  HOTS is kind of a dive in and play til you get better kinda game, but Hearthstone really benefits from research outside of it, which some people might not be into, but I dig.
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: CliK on September 04, 2015, 02:52:21 pm
Well you have to lose to get down to the right MMR.  You could just throw 5 games in a row and you'd probably be down into the people with less skill.

Do you net-deck at all?  The easiest way to get good is to find a proven deck online, copy it, and play some games.  Then you'll know it isn't your deck that's the problem.  You can work on deck building once you get better.

You also need to adapt to the "meta".  If you're being taken out on turn 6 that means you are facing a lot of aggro, which means you need to put cards in your deck that counter aggro.  Taunts, heals, etc.  That's why I love hearthstone, it isn't about throwing cards together and diving in, you have to know the state of the game as a whole, and learn how other classes play.

I hear the statement about the MMR thing for league, and starcraft and I still don't get why it is so hard. Both of those, it matches me up against people WAY higher than me. Starcraft, I wasn't at that level so I get stomped. League on the other hand, I'm supposed to be at that level but it won't put me there. League also has other major issues I have gripes with in all this, but that is besides that point. Most people for those say it takes about 100 games for it to even out. That is a ton of games, probably going out to a couple months to half a year. By then, I'll be at a different skill level than what I'm at now. Ugh.
Edit: yes, I probably sound like I'm whining a lot. But I'm very particular with online games that are pvp.

I've already said I don't like to lose. Even if it is to even out my mmr, i'll get frustrated and say fuck that before I'll ever get to that point.

All the decks I see online, all required cards I didn't have. So hard to do that. :(
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: Lightstalker on September 04, 2015, 04:59:53 pm
No big deal, just a golden Justicar Truehart, and an Aviana in the following pack. 

Spent 30 bucks opening night for nothing, 10 bucks tonight gets me my first golden legendary, a second legendary, and a couple golden epics.

can you chose any hero power?
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: Zarniwoop on September 04, 2015, 05:01:39 pm
It would be so much better if you could complete quests against the AI. Why the fuck do I have to play against people when I have no fucking clue what I'm doing or have a deck setup at all? Then you would be able to build your decks without the stress of getting completely stomped 10 games in a row before you get your first win for said quest. They do it with hots, why don't they do it with hearthstone :(.
1 - playing against AI in Hearthstone is truly worthless. You won't get better at the game by playing the AI.
2 - That is in direct contrast to games like HotS since those games have champion mechanics that can only be practice in-game. You can theorycraft and research all you want but if you don't hit Q in the right direction at the right time you won't perform the correct action. Hearthstone has none of those mechanics. (Plus HotS has the INCREDIBLY STUPID champion leveling system that essentially forces you to level a new champ in non-pvp games before going into pvp with it or you're just worse since you haven't unlocked all the skills.)

And while I have never gone above rank 18 in Heathstone, I do find the 'casual' matchmaking to be just dumb. It seems to be truly random so if you're looking to get better or complete quests, even with a 'bad' deck, just play ranked. I'm pretty sure I've lost well more than 50% of my casual games.
Lastly, if you really don't want to pvp for quests, just keep recycling until you get Total Domination (100g quest) and win your 7 games against an AI.
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: Jafaelo on September 04, 2015, 05:08:05 pm
No, it upgrades your current hero power.  Paladin spawns 2 dudes, mage does 2 damage, priest heals for 3, etc.

And yes, casual mode is the worst.  I only do it to test new decks when i dont want to tank my rating in ranked.
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: CliK on September 04, 2015, 06:03:18 pm
2 - That is in direct contrast to games like HotS since those games have champion mechanics that can only be practice in-game. You can theorycraft and research all you want but if you don't hit Q in the right direction at the right time you won't perform the correct action. Hearthstone has none of those mechanics. (Plus HotS has the INCREDIBLY STUPID champion leveling system that essentially forces you to level a new champ in non-pvp games before going into pvp with it or you're just worse since you haven't unlocked all the skills.)

Not true. Only you hit a certain level overall (25 maybe?), you unlock all spells for heroes. And i've done just fine going into pvp in heroes without having all the spells or knowing the champion. Do the same thing in league with descent results :D
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: Zarniwoop on September 04, 2015, 07:03:05 pm
Not true. Only you hit a certain level overall (25 maybe?), you unlock all spells for heroes. And i've done just fine going into pvp in heroes without having all the spells or knowing the champion. Do the same thing in league with descent results :D
Didn't know that about reaching lvl 25 (which takes way too long), but until then if you don't have all the character's skills, even if you're an amazing player, you're still nerfing yourself. So yeah there's a way around it, but the fact that it even exists in the first place is incredibly stupid. (I have a very similar gripe about the Rune system in LoL - it's a nerf to those who haven't played as much regardless of those players' skill level)
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: Lightstalker on September 05, 2015, 08:28:13 am
Pat, its taken me a long time but i have had good luck completing all the quests playing against people in the casual match up and in the ranked match up after the 15th of the month.

I use Icy-Viens to find pre built basic decks and i use the quest gold for both new decks and to open the solo adventures for those legendary cards

im getting there, still capped out at lv 18 but its getting more fun
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: Jafaelo on September 05, 2015, 08:54:26 am
Playing HS in free-to-play mode is another whole minigame in itself.  I've been thinking of opening an EU account and going free to play with it as a challenge.
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: DustinFedora on September 05, 2015, 10:17:56 am
On the subject of annoying things about Hearthstone, there are a number of permanent, hidden quests that give rewards for reaching milestones or playing on multiple systems, and can be very helpful when starting out.

http://hearthstone.gamepedia.com/Quest#Unique_quests (http://hearthstone.gamepedia.com/Quest#Unique_quests)
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: Jafaelo on September 05, 2015, 12:23:09 pm
I kinda like them being hidden, i remember when I hit my 1000th win and got 300 free gold out of nowhere :p
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: Jafaelo on October 15, 2015, 11:45:40 pm
Just a short video featuring everybody's favorite arena 5 drop.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkx9lMaYrN8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkx9lMaYrN8)
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: DustinFedora on October 16, 2015, 01:47:49 pm
I would attend the hell out of that.
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: Zarniwoop on October 16, 2015, 02:45:58 pm
Could've gotten many more squires via Recruiter (http://www.hearthhead.com/card=2509/recruiter (http://www.hearthhead.com/card=2509/recruiter)) ;)
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: DustinFedora on October 29, 2015, 06:15:05 pm
I've got 4000 dust and Patron warrior is (mostly) gone so this seems like a good time to get back into the ladder. Any suggestions for good and fun decks?
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: Jafaelo on October 29, 2015, 10:13:20 pm
Casino Mage!  All the randomness.  Justicar Trueheart is totally optional, I only put it in because I have a gold one and like to flaunt it.  honestly I think Sylvanas would be stronger in the 6 spot.

Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: Jafaelo on October 30, 2015, 07:51:08 am
I also wanted to post this for Joel.  We were talking about arena the other night, and heartharena.com came up.  The website has always been an incredibly valuable tool for learning how to draft a deck, it tells you what cards to pick, but also tells you why you are picking them.  Its only drawback has always been how clunky it is to input each card into the website.  Recently they've released an overlay that basically pops the website up over the top of your hearthstone client, so all you have to do is pick the card and the rest is done for you.  It's pretty amazing and really the best way to learn how to arena.  It's kind of in beta stages right now, they don't advertise it on their website and are letting it filter out through word of mouth.  It has a few bugs, but once you figure it out it is pretty sweet.

http://www.heartharena.com/overwolf (http://www.heartharena.com/overwolf)
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: Zarniwoop on October 30, 2015, 10:53:53 pm
Heartharena also has one of the best and easiest to use Tier Lists for ranking cards. It won't give dynamic card ratings based on what's already in your deck, but if the other systems aren't working out or you're just wanting something less intensive, just keep http://www.heartharena.com/tierlist (http://www.heartharena.com/tierlist) up.
But good cards won't win your arena games for you. Watching some arena-heavy pros (like Kripparian) can really help with strategy and can help you take even the worst decks to 4 or 5 wins (which is roughly the break-even point in terms of getting 150g worth of rewards). Eric probably knows a lot more streamers and the like since I really don't pay much attention to the Hearthstone pro scene.
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: Lightstalker on November 01, 2015, 02:09:24 pm
Casino Mage!  All the randomness.  Justicar Trueheart is totally optional, I only put it in because I have a gold one and like to flaunt it.  honestly I think Sylvanas would be stronger in the 6 spot.

I dont have any of the big cards you have in that build. What are some good replacements. and what are some tips you can give me for playing that deck
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: DustinFedora on November 01, 2015, 03:43:32 pm
I would think Loatheb would be good if you don't have Trueheart or Rag. Dr. Boom is pretty irreplaceable in any deck.
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: Lightstalker on November 01, 2015, 05:52:44 pm
i went with chillmaw cromag and tharsarian
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: Zarniwoop on November 01, 2015, 06:33:30 pm
i went with chillmaw cromag and tharsarian
Cromag?? you mean... chromaggus? Also, tharsarian must be the funniest spelling of thaurissan I have ever seen. Best typos ever.
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: DustinFedora on November 01, 2015, 06:42:01 pm
i went with chillmaw cromag and tharsarian

Those are all pretty terrible cards for the deck. Those are very control-orient cards and this deck is more of a tempo deck, where you keep the board clear of threats while dealing some damage in the early game, and then finish your opponent with direct damage (fireball, ragnaros, boom bots, etc.) somewhere in turns 6-8.

If you don't have Loatheb or Sylvanas I would go with more aggressively weighted cards such as a 2nd Piloted Shredder, Piloted Sky Golem, Dragon's Breath, Drakonid Crusher, Argent Commander, Harrison Jones (if weapons are popular), The Black Knight (he isn't aggressively weighted, but he can remove a taunt), a Polymorph (more taunt or whatever removal), etc.
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: Lightstalker on November 01, 2015, 07:21:17 pm
PJ:  :mrgreen:

Jordan: I suck at this game. So ill take your word for it and adjust accordingly
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: Jafaelo on November 02, 2015, 12:58:18 am
OK, I don't know what you're missing but I would replace Justicar Trueheart with another shredder.   Dr. Boom really is irreplaceable, but like Jordan Said, maybe a piloted sky golem if you have it.  There have also been a few times I've wished for a flamestrike, so you could go with that.  I'd probably go with Nefarian in place of Rag, kinda feel like Nefarian belongs in the deck more than Rag, but that extra 1 mana cost is huge when you get that late in the game.

Yeah, that would still be a strong deck.  Trueheart = shredder, Dr. Boom = Flamestrike, Ragnaros = Nefarian

As for tips, remember the point of this deck.  It is strong and competitive, but it is HEAVY RNG.  A lot of the times all your arcane missiles will go the wrong way, and your portals will dump Loremaster Cho's in your lap, and your shredders will drop Darnassus Aspirants and you will just lose.  Knowing that going in makes it easier to not get salty.  I play this deck when I'm tired of losing with my mid range paladin or control warrior which are carefully crafted expensive skill-based decks.  With this i can say "fuck it, lets see what happens", and often times what happens is someone plays Tirion into Mirror Entity and I bathe in their tears.
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: Lightstalker on November 02, 2015, 08:25:31 am
(Im missing all your decks legendaries)

i went with a second shredder, a second mirror entity, and lotheb. Jordan and I went back and forth on the second mirror versus the flamestrike. But i like the idea of adding Nefarian.

Thoughts?

I understand the RNG side of it. I love this deck a lot so far at the 20-17 level. the randomness makes it easier to accept a loss.
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: CliK on November 03, 2015, 12:07:22 pm
WHO wants to carry me?? k thx. http://us.battle.net/hearthstone/en/blog/19932702 (http://us.battle.net/hearthstone/en/blog/19932702)
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: DustinFedora on November 03, 2015, 03:41:41 pm
WHO wants to carry me?? k thx. [url]http://us.battle.net/hearthstone/en/blog/19932702[/url] ([url]http://us.battle.net/hearthstone/en/blog/19932702[/url])


I've got time tomorrow afternoon/evening before the raid.
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: Jafaelo on November 03, 2015, 05:32:25 pm
Ooooh man, could this Tavern Brawl be a teaser for a possible upcoming co-op mode possibly to be announced at blizzcon this weekend?   It has to be some kind of test for it, right? 
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: DustinFedora on November 03, 2015, 07:00:59 pm
Ooooh man, could this Tavern Brawl be a teaser for a possible upcoming co-op mode possibly to be announced at blizzcon this weekend?   It has to be some kind of test for it, right?

Are you talking about a co-op vs. AI Adventure (Naxx, Blackrock) expansion, or a 2v2 pvp mode? Because 2v2 pvp would be terrible without a ton of changes. Hearthstone is already a swingy game, and team modes always make games swingier. To make 2v2 pvp interesting they would have to put way more design and development hours into it than I think Blizzard wants to, especially as team modes, no matter how good, are never as popular as 1v1.

The expansion thing could work though.
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: Holocaust on November 04, 2015, 02:56:48 pm
Just won the Tavern Brawl.
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: Lightstalker on November 04, 2015, 04:01:50 pm
Id like to thank Eric for the Casino Mage deck and the help from PJ and Jordan for helping me tweek it. I got all the way to lv 15 which is a first for me.

id also like to thank Eric for the Arena overlay helper. I went 3-3 then 5-3 both a first for me

i would have gotten at least 6 wins but Jordan was witness to me getting fucked over big time

question: is there any ranking system to the Arena system?
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: Jafaelo on November 04, 2015, 05:20:57 pm
no but the game tracks your best arena run.  Its on the same page that shows what levels all your classes are.  Congrats on rank 15 man, that's pretty sweet.
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: Zarniwoop on November 05, 2015, 12:26:00 am
And there's a type of in-the-moment ranking for Arena in that you face opponents with the same number of wins as you (starting at 2 I believe). I think it's always someone with the exact same number of wins, but I'm not positive. All I know for sure is that as you get more wins you're more likely to face opponents with better and better card quality in their decks. This doesn't mean that a low-quality deck will automatically lose, but it's something to keep in mind. eg - Using a good spell (like Fireball) to take out the Yeti your opponent coined out on turn 3 might not be a terrible choice at 2 or 3 wins since it's quite possible your opponent doesn't have another 4drop in hand; however, at 6 or 7 wins it's more likely that your opponent will have another threat that your Fireball might be better suited to dealing with.
Quite a while ago (nearly 2 years), Jordan sent me this link: http://www.starcitygames.com/magic/fundamentals/3692_Whos_The_Beatdown.html (http://www.starcitygames.com/magic/fundamentals/3692_Whos_The_Beatdown.html)
It's an article about MTG, but it still has relevancy for Hearthstone since in HS there is one "aggro" deck and one "control" deck. In constructed it's usually pretty clear which is which since each deck is put together to perform one function or the other based on its matchup, but in Arena it's more difficult to determine what your role is when going into a match. Not only do you often not have a cohesive theme (lots of charge/lots of taunt/spell combos/etc), but the playstyle of your deck can vary just from game to game based on what you draw. If you draw all your low-cost and/or charge minions early on chances are you're going to be the aggro deck that game. If you drew your spells and your lowest minion cost is 3 or 4, you're probably going to be the control.
One of the reasons I like Arena is that it varies so much from match to match. To me, a lot of constructed matches are either getting a good matchup (or a not-bad matchup) or drawing your win condition. Arena is less about a deck's "win condition" and more about how well you can adapt to the match you're in and the cards you have. Of course, it's also frustrating as all hell when you get to 5 wins, have a pretty good deck, but get 3 losses in a row by drawing all of your shitty cards; but to me that is no more frustrating than losing a ranked game to someone who got the perfect cards.
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: Jafaelo on November 05, 2015, 08:21:40 am
I have seen streamers get the same guy two times in a row in arena, so I don't think you face people with the exact same stats, they just try to get it as close as possible.  It is also why you shouldn't get too discouraged if you lose your first game.  You are facing other virgin decks, so you may be facing a future 12 win deck, but the matchmaking system doesn't know it yet.
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: Zarniwoop on November 06, 2015, 06:47:38 am
Decided to try out the HearthArena overlay and it works pretty much exactly as I thought/hoped it would. Gives you the raw rankings for each card you see as well as a blurb of advice on which card to choose. Usually it just advises you to pick the best (ie highest ranked) card but not always. And even so, it's nice not to have to tab out or have the ranking window open on another screen.
Be careful tho since the overlay app requires a program called Overwolf which caused a looooot of problems in WoW when I swapped over from HS without closing Overwolf. I was able to just close Overwolf and /reload WoW to get it working (no full relog required), but it's something to be aware of if you decide to get the overlay app.
Lastly, this was my final choice for my arena draft.... Probably the single worst set of cards I've ever seen.

Edit: I finished 4-3 after an 0-2 start. Sadly my last loss came to a deck that, if what I saw is representative of the whole, will get 8-10 wins :/
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: Jafaelo on November 06, 2015, 08:13:08 am
Wow.  Did you pick the watchman?  What did heartharena say in that awful choice?  I love it when you're in arena and you see someone play a card like Murloc Tidecaller and you think "What the fuck choices was THAT up against to make him pick it?"

I also love it when you're in arena and you see the screen flash orange.  "Sweet!  Legendaries!" Then you see your choice of Lorewalker Cho, Nat Pagle, or Captain Greenskin.  That's just depressing.
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: Zarniwoop on November 06, 2015, 09:34:51 am
HearthArena said to pick the Target Dummy so I did (I decided that for the first run I was going to pick what it said no matter what). After playing it out (and getting the target dummy in the top 10 cards every game) I think I should have picked the Watchman. I also had 2 Regents, the fencing dude (as shown in pic), and a Coldarra drake, so I was using my hero power fairly often and thus could probably have activated the Watchman most of the time. In the end I doubt it would have made a difference.

Sidenote: I find it interesting that the overlay app didn't get included in the screenshot. I've tried to go thru Overwolf's settings to see how to get a screenshot thru that rather than thru HS, but I can't find anything that says how to make Overwolf take the screenshot.
Also, the overlay provides your deck list onscreen as you play which I find quite helpful. All in all, quite a handy app, but by no means necessary to do well.
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: Jafaelo on November 06, 2015, 11:09:49 am
I heard an interview with the creators and they said if two cards are within 3 points or so of each other it is basically a coin flip.  I find that every draft i usually go against the app 2 or 3 times just to fit my play style.  I like a little more control and they sometimes prioritize mediocre minions over decent removal cards.
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: Zarniwoop on November 06, 2015, 11:24:02 am
Yeah, I did that this time and got more consistent results. I also read http://hearthstoneplayers.com/arena-class-tier-list/ (http://hearthstoneplayers.com/arena-class-tier-list/) which was written by the creators of the app and it continuously mentions how the game, even in arena, has slowed down yet the app was still constantly pushing me to take a lot of 1-3cost minions. It seems like having a midrange deck with a few good late threats is better than having an strong early game deck that runs out of steam entirely on turn 8 or 9. I actually recorded my Druid run today, but due to utterly throwing 2 games from playing too fast I don't think I'm going to upload it at all... lol  Maybe I'll put up the draft and a couple of the matches to give people an idea of what the app is like.
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: Jafaelo on November 08, 2015, 03:03:59 pm
I made a new wacky deck I've been playing with and actually winning.  It will be hard to build because it uses a couple of shitty legendaries I have that nobody would purposefully craft, but you could trade Gormok the Impaler and Justicar Trueheart out for a couple of knife juggalos and probably have a stronger deck... though not as fun.  The decklist is too long to fit on one screenshot, so just remember that it also has a Blessing of Might in the one drop spot.

The reason this deck is working is because Paladin is so prevalent, and what does every paladin on earth have on turn 2?  Shielded minibot.  If you have a Blood Knight in your hand, you can often drop your own minibot on turn 2, then eat both the shields on turn 3 for a 9/9.  Even if you dont, you can eat his shield and drop a 6/6 on turn 3.  Plus it works in late game, and combos with Argent Squires which are usually totally worthless in late game.  Also, after Justicar Trueheart upgrades your hero power, and you use your Murloc night, youre basically filling the board with just your hero power, which is lots of food for the Bolvar.  All of these cards are easily countered with BGHs and Silences, but the idea is to have enough big threats, and a board full of buffable tokens, that you can eat up all their removal while aggroing them down.  But even if you dont, its fun to watch them get totally fucking confused when they see cards like Blood Knight and Bolvar Fordragon come out.  I call the deck "Glory to the Sin'dorrrmrrgrrble"
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: Jafaelo on November 13, 2015, 10:06:10 pm
Alright, here's another screenshot.  Probably the best Arena deck I've ever drafted.  So far I'm 7-0, I usually go 5-3.  Perfect minion curve, 2 polymorphs, 2 fireballs, 2 sludge belchers, 3 flamestrikes, and a blizzard for good measure
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: Lightstalker on November 13, 2015, 10:58:12 pm
lol 3 flame strikes baller
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: Jafaelo on November 14, 2015, 01:20:47 am
Well, the good news is I got my second 12 win run ever.  The bad news is it wasn't perfect.  I went 11-0 then went up against a pally where we both had 2 health and he got me with a Stormpike Commando.  Then I got salty and the next guy beat me too.

Got 340 gold, a golden common card, and a GVG pack with an epic.
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: Jafaelo on November 27, 2015, 11:29:56 am
OK Joel, if you liked the arena overlay you might like this one too.  It's an overlay for constructed play.  It is called Hearthstone Deck Tracker, you can download it here: https://github.com/Epix37/Hearthstone-Deck-Tracker

It pops up a very informative overlay showing what cards you've used, what you have left, what your opponent used, and what your chances to draw a card are.  Also if you input your decks into the accompanying program it will track your wins and losses so you can know what decks you are having the best luck with.  It's pretty cool so far, I just started playing with it.   
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: Zarniwoop on December 23, 2015, 12:15:58 am
I just went 0-3 in arena with a Paladin deck that was pretty bad, but definitely not the worst deck I've played. All 3 opponents got perfect RNG and topdecks.

On the other hand, I got a Confessor Paletress.

*shrug*
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: Jafaelo on December 23, 2015, 08:14:45 am
I feel ya.  I've played 15-20 hours in the last two weeks and moved up exactly two stars.  I've decided that it cant possibly be that much bad luck, and I'm actually just not very good, so I'm trying to relearn the game.

I have to take a break from Arena for a while.  Too many Paladins and Mages.
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: CliK on December 23, 2015, 11:47:52 am
All 3 opponents got perfect RNG and topdecks.

This is exactly why I refuse to play this dumb game. Too much rng and just total luck, not skill.
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: Jafaelo on December 23, 2015, 04:28:15 pm
Yet the same people are consistently in the top brackets in all of the tournaments.  Why is that?  Are they just luckier?

Poker is all luck too if you're only talking about the cards you draw.
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: CliK on December 23, 2015, 05:40:16 pm
Yet the same people are consistently in the top brackets in all of the tournaments.  Why is that?  Are they just luckier?

Poker is all luck too if you're only talking about the cards you draw.

I don't care for poker, but I feel like a lot of that is reading your opponent and knowing what they could have. Plus being able to bluff.
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: Jafaelo on December 23, 2015, 08:58:40 pm
The same goes for hearthstone.  You have to know that it's a bad idea to Muster for Battle against Druid on turn 3, because there's a chance he has swipe, so you have to balance risk vs reward.  There's a lot more to it than just playing whatever cards pop out of your deck.
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: CliK on December 23, 2015, 09:25:24 pm
The same goes for hearthstone.  You have to know that it's a bad idea to Muster for Battle against Druid on turn 3, because there's a chance he has swipe, so you have to balance risk vs reward.  There's a lot more to it than just playing whatever cards pop out of your deck.

I have no idea what you just said, but i'll take your word on it. Like I said, I don't like poker either (or gambling in general). Bit too much rng for me. That and i'm too frugal to play anything with money at stake.
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: Zarniwoop on December 24, 2015, 12:29:34 am
I feel like Hearthstone has as much RNG as raiding in WoW, it just happens that each game ends rather than being able to fight the boss again as is the case in an RNG-caused wipe. Usually the RNG goes pretty even within the game itself or at the very least over the course of a few games. Arena is pretty much the only place in Hearthstone (outside of tournaments) that RNG can fuck you hard and fast since 3 total losses and you're done; so 3 RNG losses (or really 2 plus an RNG+misplay loss) can kick ya right in the nads. But it's free (if you want it to be) and even with 0 wins you still get a pack. Does it suck? Yeah, every loss sucks. But it doesn't suck any worse than wiping for an hour on Socrethar :P
When it comes to constructed (so ranked and tournaments) it's much much less about RNG and far more about planning (and sometimes the plan is 'hope to get lucky'). Usually the people who are constantly whining about RNG in constructed are either playing less-than-great decks or don't know enough about the decks they're playing against to be able to play against them properly (like going up against Velhari using the strategy from Zakuun, or just no strat at all).
Lastly, Arena also has the deck creation RNG element. To create your Arena deck you get 30 choices of 1 of 3 cards (so see 3 cards, pick 1, 3 new cards pop up, repeat...). I drafted a mediocre-at-best deck so I wasn't likely to win many games anyway, but then my opponents got lucky and had better decks so I ended up not winning any. I also probably could have played each game better.

I feel ya.  I've played 15-20 hours in the last two weeks and moved up exactly two stars.  I've decided that it cant possibly be that much bad luck, and I'm actually just not very good, so I'm trying to relearn the game.

I have to take a break from Arena for a while.  Too many Paladins and Mages.
Going 0-3 as a Pally in Arena really hurt since Pally is usually so strong. As for rank, are you playing Aggro? Cuz I got to 15 with aggro druid and then lost 7 in a row before swapping to handlock and getting right back up again. I feel like there's just so much anti-aggro out there that super control is the way to go.
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: Jafaelo on December 24, 2015, 01:31:19 am
I've tried everything, man.  My main is mid-range paladin, and it has my highest winrate at like a dead even 50%.  Last night I played a few Rogue games and got a little win streak going, so I'm actually considering saying "fuck it" and going rogue.  It's the hardest class to play, and nearly every game I make a noticeable misplay somehow, but when someone really knows rogue, they are a tough competitor.

You did really nail the RNG aspect of hearthstone.  In wow you can eventually outgear it enough to overcome bad RNG, in hearthstone it's an even playing field every match, but with practice and time you know the possible outcomes.  There is randomness that can turn a game out of nowhere.  Those big moments of game changing RNG are important because they keep the game exciting and keep you on your toes, but in reality they aren't that frequent.  It's amazing how predictable most of the games are.  I can't count the number of secret paladins who had Piloted Shredder on turn 4, Mysterious Challenger on turn 6, Dr. Boom on turn 7, and Tirion on turn 8.  Having all those amazing cards on the right turns is like having a straight flush in poker, yet it happens all the time.
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: CliK on December 24, 2015, 09:30:36 am
I feel like Hearthstone has as much RNG as raiding in WoW, it just happens that each game ends rather than being able to fight the boss again as is the case in an RNG-caused wipe. Usually the RNG goes pretty even within the game itself or at the very least over the course of a few games. Arena is pretty much the only place in Hearthstone (outside of tournaments) that RNG can fuck you hard and fast since 3 total losses and you're done; so 3 RNG losses (or really 2 plus an RNG+misplay loss) can kick ya right in the nads. But it's free (if you want it to be) and even with 0 wins you still get a pack. Does it suck? Yeah, every loss sucks. But it doesn't suck any worse than wiping for an hour on Socrethar :P
When it comes to constructed (so ranked and tournaments) it's much much less about RNG and far more about planning (and sometimes the plan is 'hope to get lucky'). Usually the people who are constantly whining about RNG in constructed are either playing less-than-great decks or don't know enough about the decks they're playing against to be able to play against them properly (like going up against Velhari using the strategy from Zakuun, or just no strat at all).

I disagree. Wow isn't entirely based on RNG like hearthstone is. Think about it. From the very get go, you succumbing to RNGesus. Did you get the right cards on the draw? Did you opponent? Did you get the right card on the draw, did your opponent? The only parts of hearthstone that you actually control, is what card you play and who do you attack. And even that is based solely on whether or not rng was nice and gave you something you could do. Really there are only very few fights in wow that rng truely plays a part. Zakuun and Archimonde, mostly with the pillars one both. Everything else is predictable and you can plan for. Kind of hard to plan for something in hearthstone when you don't know what cards you've been dealt.

The tagline for hearthstone should be: Hearthstone: the game where rng determines your fate.
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: Zarniwoop on December 25, 2015, 12:06:28 am
You only have 30 total cards in a deck and usually only 15-20 unique cards, so getting the right cards at the start and drawing into cards that you can play later on is a really really high likelihood. Not getting an early (turn 1, 2, or 3) drop is like Soc targeting melee with every charge in an evenly split comp; it just doesn't happen often enough to make an impact outside of that one game. Hearthstone is all about strategizing around the uncommon but impactful RNG that exists. In that respect, it's quite a bit like WoW.
Example: Hearthstone has a lot of 'do I play card X now for a better shortterm outcome or hold onto it for the greedier play that will be better in the long run?' That choice is massive as going for the greedy play can end up leaving you too far behind to catch up while the quicker play can turn sour if your opponent has a good response.
WoW, esp as heals, has times of 'do I use a big cooldown now when it is good but we could recover without it barring further problems or do I wait and rely on (or hope) my team to keep things smooth while we heal thru this current damage?'
The major difference I see is that with WoW each attempt on a boss RNG becomes a little bit less of a factor via strengthening teamwork. In Hearthstone each game is brand new and unique - a fresh fight on a new boss with no teammates to help you out. Sure you may have an idea of what threats the 'boss' can throw at you, you haven't faced this one before and you can't be certain what's coming.
If you don't like Hearthstone, that's cool. There are tons of games I don't like that are way more popular. But it's not an RNG-based game. It's a strategy game with important RNG elements that you have to incorporate into your in-the-moment risk/reward calculations. And frankly, I feel like every good game should have certain 'fuck you' elements that are uncontrollable but fair over the long run.
Oh, and an important point that Jordan made to me: Hearthstone is not a one vs one game. It's a you vs everyone game that you play one person at a time.
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: CliK on December 26, 2015, 02:22:02 pm
Still don't agree. Just don't really know how you can say hearthstone isn't pretty rng based.
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: Zarniwoop on December 26, 2015, 08:17:36 pm
Because it simply isn't. A raid fight in WoW is heavily effected by RNG and if the player doesn't react to the RNG then bad shit happens and you're far more likely to lose. But raiding in WoW isn't about the individual fight. It's about progression and the raid as a whole.
Hearthstone is the same way just minus the team element. It's not about the individual games that are effected by RNG. It's about reacting to the RNG in the game to give yourself the best chance of winning; but mostly it's about learning, adapting, and bringing your best to the fight with each deck you have. It's about progression (ie rank) and a well rounded arsenal.
Because of the shorter nature of each game every instance of RNG is simultaneously both more impactful and less important than it is in a game like WoW: RNG can make a game tough to win and, on rare occasion, completely lose a game for you, but once that's game's over, that RNG no longer matters. To reach and sustain pro levels you'd be playing hundreds of games, so one nasty loss caused by RNG simply doesn't matter.
And frankly, you can combat almost all RNG simply by knowing it's a possibility. A lot of times the "RNG" that causes a loss is simply the most likely play: If a control Warlock has drawn 12 cards of his 30 card deck, it's pretty likely that he's got Hellfire or at the very least a Shadowflame combo, so flooding the board probably isn't wise. Things like that. Hoping to win by hoping your opponent doesn't have the card/combo he's 70%+ likely to have isn't a loss-by-RNG... It's a desperate/bad/risky play. And if that play was your only way to win, then maybe you just need to rethink your overall strategy against your opponent's deck for future games.
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: CliK on December 26, 2015, 09:53:03 pm
I don't see what you are saying. Raiding is wow is not very rng based. You know exactly what the fight is going to do. You have timers to tell you when an ability is coming, and you know exactly what every ability does and typically for how hard it even hits. The only rng most fight have, is putting an ability on someone. Even those you typically now who the are going on. Ranged, melee, a tank, or a mix of those. But again, you know it's coming and can completely control the fight. Most fights in wow we control the strategy almost completely, and don't have to adjust based on what is happening. Like I said, the only true rng in a fight is something like a pillar placement. That is truely random. If wow was completely rng based, raid leading would be a nightmare, hell raiding in general would be crazy. A lot of people (like myself) would probably not play.

You can't plan for a card to come in hearthstone. You can know what the odds are but you can't truely control what is going to happen. So then you have to adjust your strategy on the fly based on what is happening with the cards you and your opponent are dealt.
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: Jafaelo on December 27, 2015, 12:27:50 am
No offense, but you are speaking like someone who doesn't play hearthstone.  We are telling you that you CAN predict what cards are coming, with remarkable accuracy.  It's not about 2 decks throwing cards at each other, it's about knowing the meta game, knowing the decks you will be facing, knowing how to mulligan, etc.

For example, paladin has a card called Muster for Battle that summons 3 dudes with 1 health and gives you a 1 attack weapon.  If you are playing paladin and you go up against a rogue, it is a very safe assumption that he will mulligan his hand for Fan of Knives, which is a card that deals 1 damage to all his opponents minions.  Muster for Battle on turn 3 is a very strong play against a mage or a priest, but against a rogue you have to realize that the odds are very likely that he has Fan of Knives.  And I'm telling you, MOST times he will.  In fact the likelihood of him having it is so great, that the standard accepted strategy is to avoid playing into it.  So in the end, it doesn't matter if he has it or not, the strategy is the same.

How easy would Socrethar be if we knew, every time, where the portals would spawn, where the casters would come from, who would get the gifts, etc.  Every fight in WOW has RNG elements, and we learn to play around it.  The same is true in Hearthstone.  Neither of them is totally RNG based. 
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: CliK on December 27, 2015, 09:33:53 am
How easy would Socrethar be if we knew, every time, where the portals would spawn, where the casters would come from, who would get the gifts, etc.  Every fight in WOW has RNG elements, and we learn to play around it.  The same is true in Hearthstone.  Neither of them is totally RNG based. 

You can predict where the portals are though....the red portal spawns in one of two spots...the other two in one of four. Again, predictable. Not truly random like say a pillar on Zakuun or archimonde.
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: Jafaelo on December 27, 2015, 05:54:10 pm
Right.  Exactly like the majority of hearthstone.
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: CliK on December 27, 2015, 09:10:31 pm
Right.  Exactly like the majority of hearthstone.

No. Because you can't predict what card you are going to get. If you could do that, maybe you should be playing poker or something in Vegas.
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: Jafaelo on December 27, 2015, 11:03:25 pm
Alright man, whatever.  I don't know why 1 in 4 spawn points isn't considered random but 1 in X number of remaining cards is.  Keep believing what you want.
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: Dulzun on December 28, 2015, 06:38:33 am
No. Because you can't predict what card you are going to get. If you could do that, maybe you should be playing poker or something in Vegas.

Poker is a bad comparison since it's 52 unique cards where as in Hearthstone you can affect the RNG with how you build your deck. You know what you put in the deck, you know how many of each card/type you've put in, and you know how many of each type of card you put in therefore you can have a large impact on what cards you receive. You can have a reasonable assumption that if you put in 4 copies on x card you have pretty good chance you'll get at least one in your opening hand or at the very least in first few pulls. But beyond that when you build you do it so that every card has a purpose in your hand. With poker you'll just flat out get cards that you don't need and don't work with the cards that you've got, but with Hearthstone (or Magic since that's what I'm more familiar with) you know that the next card will most likely be something you can use and with as few cards in your deck you have a good idea what card will come up next.

So in my mind there's RNG in both games but I at least feel like I can have an impact on what cards are going to come up in my opening/first pulls but in the soc fight we have no control where the portals spawn but the fact that they spawn is just a predictable as knowing that you'll get x card in your opening hand.

To venture way out of my comfort zone and offer a football metaphor, specific teams will run specific plays and you might not know what play a team is going to run with 100% certainty but if you know the team/players/coach you probably have a pretty good idea what play they'll run to start off with but you won't be 100% right every time. That's where the metaphor ends. It's the same with predicting the cards in hearthstone. You won't be right 100% of the time but you have pretty good idea.

I'll go run and hide before anyone lays some football truth on me.
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: CliK on December 28, 2015, 08:04:41 am
Yes, I get it. Both games have rng based elements. But my point is, in wow it is completely predictable and controlled. Most wipes in wow are caused by a decision (or lack of one) than the actual rng element.

My point in hearthstone is yes, you might have an idea what card you may get or what card your oppontent may have but ultimately you still don't know. It still come down to the rng of the card draw in it you get what you want/need or don't you. You might have an educated guess, but nothing is certain. I feel like that has a larger outcome on the game than in wow.
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: Zarniwoop on December 28, 2015, 08:14:22 pm
Yes, I get it. Both games have rng based elements. But my point is, in wow it is completely predictable and controlled. Most wipes in wow are caused by a decision (or lack of one) than the actual rng element.

My point in hearthstone is yes, you might have an idea what card you may get or what card your oppontent may have but ultimately you still don't know. It still come down to the rng of the card draw in it you get what you want/need or don't you. You might have an educated guess, but nothing is certain. I feel like that has a larger outcome on the game than in wow.

Most losses in Hearthstone are caused by a decision, often between the risky play that can backfire due to "bad" rng or the safer play that can backfire against due to a better skilled opponent or a misread on the deck you're up against. And as I said before, and Jafa eluded to as well, the "bad" rng is most often simply the likely play. It's very very rare for your opponent to draw the perfect card on the turn he needs to use it; he usually has the card long before then. If all your opponent needs is a board clear or taunt to counter your aggressive play then there's a rather high chance you'll be countered. The chances of a 'perfect draw' counter are 2/30 usually (since if a card is so good as to be a 'perfect counter' it's probably going to be in the deck twice). The chances of a taunt or board clear in a non-aggro deck are probably closer to 10/30 on the low end and 20+/30 against true control decks. And with each draw the chance gets higher that your opponent will have that answer. Plus take into account the mulligan and your opponent's skill and the chances continue to increase at higher skills thus decreasing the rng. I mean, if I'm facing a hunter I will always keep a board clear even if it might turn out to be a midrange hunter simply because aggro hunter is the most common and generally successful type.
I really don't know where you're getting your information on the effects of RNG in Hearthstone because it's quite skewed.

As for WoW rng vs Hearthstone rng, they're not really directly comparable on a larger scale. WoW raiding is meant as a test of how well you can play a spec and follow specific mechanics. Hearthstone is about executing a strategy, but in order to do that you need to know what you're up against which changes every game. But at the same time, on a very micro level they have similarities since RNG within a boss fight can significantly alter the flow of the fight just as it can alter the tempo of a HS game. There were plenty of times on Soc where we wiped to the RNG of a charge on melee or gifts on 'unlucky' targets, but since the fight never changes except for who gets targetted, we could practice and quickly adapt to even the unlucky rng elements, esp as we began to get better gear. There's no better gear to get in Hearthstone between expac releases. There's no repeat matches against the same person with the same deck and the same plays on the same turn; even if that person has the same exact cards in had on the same turns as a previous game, they'll probably play them different in order to give themselves a better chance at winning.
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: CliK on December 29, 2015, 04:45:47 am
You can't execute a strat or try for a risky okay if you don't have the cards. And you don't know for certain what card is coming up in the deck, so you can't try for something there either.

You have to remember, myself and a lot of others don't have these super awesome decks that will always work, so for us rng is a lot bigger of an issue.

We necer wiped to a charge on melee btw, so I'm not sure where that is coming about.
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: Jafaelo on December 29, 2015, 08:00:44 am
That really doesn't make a difference.  A guy in greens can't raid in Heroic HFC, so he's doomed to fail too.  Your lack of cards or knowledge of deck building doesn't change what the game is about.  Nor does it change that a properly built deck, knowledge of the meta game, and knowledge of how to play your deck, will balance the effects of RNG in the long run.

This is a fact.  I don't know why you continue to argue about a game that you have admitted you don't play or know anything about.
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: CliK on December 29, 2015, 08:26:27 am
That really doesn't make a difference.  A guy in greens can't raid in Heroic HFC, so he's doomed to fail too.  Your lack of cards or knowledge of deck building doesn't change what the game is about.  Nor does it change that a properly built deck, knowledge of the meta game, and knowledge of how to play your deck, will balance the effects of RNG in the long run.

This is a fact.  I don't know why you continue to argue about a game that you have admitted you don't play or know anything about.

I've played more than you think. I've given it multiple attempts but the lack of an easier way to get cards has turned me away more than anything.
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: Holocaust on December 29, 2015, 09:08:42 am
I've got nearly 5000g in hearthstone.  Just not sure what to do with it.
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: Jafaelo on December 29, 2015, 09:17:33 am
Buy the adventures if you haven't, then buy packs.  That's all you use gold for in hearthstone.

Or just play arena from now til the end of time. :p

Here's an itemized list:

1.  Buy Naxxramas, by far the best cards for the money.
2.  Buy League of Explorers, second best cards.
3.  Buy packs, disenchant doubles and bad cards you dont want, use dust to craft cards you need to build the decks you want to play
4.  Play Arena.  Learn to play while getting cards & dust.  3 wins and you get your 150 gold worth, 5 wins and you are making a profit.
5.  Buy Blackrock mountain if you want.  Not a ton of great cards in this one.  Really only one that sees a lot of play.
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: Holocaust on December 29, 2015, 02:34:39 pm
I've already beat all the adventures and class quests (except the class quests from League of Explorers still working on that one).

I suppose I need to get that arena overlay you mentioned and try to do arena.  I just didn't want to waste the 150g if I wasn't even going to be breaking even.
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: Jafaelo on December 29, 2015, 03:00:15 pm
Then buy 50 packs.  You'll get a few legendaries and a bunch of dust.  I don't like arena as much as ladder so I'll probably never be huge into it.  Some people play it exclusively though.
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: Jafaelo on December 29, 2015, 10:44:55 pm
Pat inspired me so I started an EU account, went through the tutorial, and am going to see how far I can get as free to play.  So far i did a 6-3 arena run and got a few good rares in my first 5 packs from all the tutorial stuff.  However I'm learning that rank 25 in europe isn't all pushovers.
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: CliK on December 30, 2015, 09:19:34 am
0-10 game losing streak incoming.
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: Jafaelo on December 30, 2015, 12:44:02 pm
I went 6-3 in my arena match, I only played one game on ladder and he fought hard but I beat him.  Ill play some more tonight. It's fun to strip down and play with stuff like boulderfist ogre again.
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: Holocaust on December 30, 2015, 01:13:40 pm
All I currently have is the basic decks.  I hate playing rogue, shaman, and druid this way.  Mage, Priest, and kinda Pally are decent.  I really enjoy playing the mage deck.  Unless the person has like 4 or 5 legendaries I can counteract most of their stuff if I get good RNG.
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: Jafaelo on December 30, 2015, 01:57:29 pm
Well why don't you dip in to your dragon hoard and buy some cards to play really fun decks.  Legendaries are the funniest part of the game.  The first time I dropped Tirion and heard "PUT YOUR FAITH IN THE LIGHT" I was hooked on this dumb game.
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: Holocaust on December 30, 2015, 04:07:39 pm
The next time I actually get to be at home playing I'll message you Eric to get some advice.
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: Dulzun on December 30, 2015, 04:25:12 pm
dragon hoard

Jaf, you should try to market Dragon Hoard as a medieval/fantasy themed lottery game to whichever state you currently reside.
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: Krack on January 02, 2016, 02:52:47 am
I enjoyed Hearthstone, but you either have to play it way too much, get great arena decks or spend enough $ to get decent deck/s from the RNG packs.

I was really disappointed when I reinstalled it and the new adventures didn't even give you the first wings for free.
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: Jafaelo on March 14, 2016, 06:35:02 pm
Oh you bet your ass I'll be rockin' Lady Liadrin as my paladin champion.  Hearthstone needs more Horde representation.

http://www.hearthhead.com/news=251817/hearthstone-patch-4-2-0-released-lady-liadrin-new-paladin-hero-more-deckslots-br (http://www.hearthhead.com/news=251817/hearthstone-patch-4-2-0-released-lady-liadrin-new-paladin-hero-more-deckslots-br)
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: DustinFedora on March 15, 2016, 06:05:05 am
Oh you bet your ass I'll be rockin' Lady Liadrin as my paladin champion.  Hearthstone needs more Horde representation.

[url]http://www.hearthhead.com/news=251817/hearthstone-patch-4-2-0-released-lady-liadrin-new-paladin-hero-more-deckslots-br[/url] ([url]http://www.hearthhead.com/news=251817/hearthstone-patch-4-2-0-released-lady-liadrin-new-paladin-hero-more-deckslots-br[/url])


+1

I know no one plays Shaman, and for good reason, but I want Drek'thar.
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: Jafaelo on March 15, 2016, 08:37:16 am
That would be awesome, but with Thrall as the current one, I'm guessing it will be a dirty Space goat or Dwarf.

But honestly, we need a Troll champion most of all, right?  I think one could make an argument for Zul' Jin as a new Rogue champion.
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: DustinFedora on March 15, 2016, 04:51:39 pm
I would like to see all the races represented...except Gnomes of course.

Zul'Jin as Rogue
Sunwalker Dezco as Paladin
Some blue tentacled monstrosity as who cares
Lillian Voss as Rogue
Darius Crowley or Genn Greymane (they all look alike) as...Warrior?

This falls apart when you get to the best race of all - Goblins - because the only two fleshed out Goblin characters are already in the game...
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: Jafaelo on March 18, 2016, 04:53:53 pm
Oil Rogue for CJ
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: Jafaelo on March 18, 2016, 05:00:21 pm
I would like to see all the races represented...except Gnomes of course.

Zul'Jin as Rogue
Sunwalker Dezco as Paladin
Some blue tentacled monstrosity as who cares
Lillian Voss as Rogue
Darius Crowley or Genn Greymane (they all look alike) as...Warrior?

This falls apart when you get to the best race of all - Goblins - because the only two fleshed out Goblin characters are already in the game...

Shit.  Lillian Voss might be better than Zul Jin.  Gnomes don't need a hero because they are way over represented in cards.  Humans might have them beat, but not by much.
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: DustinFedora on March 19, 2016, 12:41:44 pm
PJ had a better suggestion than Dezco for the Tauren slot, seeing as we already have a Paladin:

http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Hamuul_Runetotem (http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Hamuul_Runetotem)
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: Jafaelo on March 20, 2016, 04:08:18 pm
I think Hamuul will undoubtedly be the next druid.
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: DustinFedora on March 24, 2016, 09:34:28 am
Confirmation of some WOG rumors and a bit of insight into developer thinking:

http://www.liquidhearth.com/forum/hearthstone/506312-monk-visits-blizzard-changes-coming-to-standard (http://www.liquidhearth.com/forum/hearthstone/506312-monk-visits-blizzard-changes-coming-to-standard)

Personally I would love to see some sort of silence change as I find it one of the most annoying mechanics in the game.

I find the last bullet point kinda funny considering they already released this guy:
http://hearthstone.gamepedia.com/C'Thun's_Chosen (http://hearthstone.gamepedia.com/C'Thun's_Chosen)

I mean, not every deck will be a C'Thun deck, and a divine shield isn't an entire minion, but it will be a slower environment, so I would expect to see a lot of C'Thun and the Chosen.
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: Jafaelo on March 24, 2016, 09:57:21 am
I'm not very excited about C'Thun.  People on reddit have suggested it's going to be blizzard's "starter deck" for new players that is strong but not expensive or overly complicated.  It looks boring as hell to me.

As for the other stuff... I find it frustrating.  They are going to nerf rogue basic cards because they can't make cards good enough to compete with them?  If this is the case shouldn't rogues be everywhere?  Nobody plays rogue.  The cards the are introducing better be incredible if they are going to nerf the only thing rogues have going for them, and cycle out their arguably best card with Standard. 

I do agree with the silence changes, I hate the mechanic as well, but also recognize it is important to have.  It's just so powerful that I feel like it should cost more than a 2 mana owl or a 1 mana earthshock.

The hearthstone meta is so stale right now I can't even log in to get my dailies done.  10 games will get you 5 druids, 4 secret pallys, and a zoo lock.  Why is this expansion taking so long to come out?
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: Holocaust on March 24, 2016, 02:22:13 pm
I see quite a few face hunters too.
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: CliK on March 24, 2016, 03:00:42 pm
I see quite a few face hunters too.

Oh god, you got sucked into that game too? Is there anyone here that doesn't play hearthstone? I need new friends on these forums.
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: Jafaelo on March 24, 2016, 03:07:03 pm
Shhhhh let other people enjoy things. ;)
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: ceeje on March 25, 2016, 09:06:17 am

The hearthstone meta is so stale right now I can't even log in to get my dailies done.  10 games will get you 5 druids, 4 secret pallys, and a zoo lock.  Why is this expansion taking so long to come out?
This is why I only play ranked to 15, then do my dailies in either tavern brawl or casual. You run into some pretty janky casual decks still, and that makes it pretty interesting
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: Jafaelo on March 25, 2016, 01:16:07 pm
Yeah, I just love those free gold cards at the end of the month. I don't have the patience to really push, but if you can get down to 10 your rewards are pretty good.
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: Holocaust on March 25, 2016, 03:47:46 pm
The RNG gods have been frowning on me in all games for the past week straight.
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: DustinFedora on April 02, 2016, 03:47:10 pm
So there apparently was a change made to a specific card interaction, and I say apparently because I have no idea when it happened and Heartstone patch notes are less than comprehensive. The card that got changed was Poison Seeds. It now completes its effect before triggering deathrattles, including the deathrattle of Explosive Sheep. That's right, if you Poison Seeds with Explosive Sheep in play everything will turn into a 2/2, and then immediately die to the Sheep's 2 damage. This makes possible again one of my favorite decks: Fatigue Druid, now with 100% less Tree of Life!

2x Naturalize
2x Wrath
1x Doomsayer
2x Explosive Sheep
2x Wild Pyromancer
1x Youthful Brewmaster
1x Healing Touch
1x Big Game Hunter
1x Brann Bronzebeard
2x Coldlight Oracle
1x Grove Tender
2x Poison Seeds
2x Swipe
2x Keeper of the Grove
2x Starfall
2x Antique Healbot
2x Starfire
1x Justicar Trueheart
1x Reno Jackson

...and then I did a google search and found this:
https://www.reddit.com/r/hearthstone/comments/4bwa8s/poison_seeds_filling_the_board_removing/d1d9ovh (https://www.reddit.com/r/hearthstone/comments/4bwa8s/poison_seeds_filling_the_board_removing/d1d9ovh)

The change was unintentional and will be reverted. Poo. Oh well, still fun while it lasts.
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: Jafaelo on April 02, 2016, 05:19:45 pm
I watched a lot of streamers playing that deck but I thought they reverted it last week.  It's a shame, because that seems like a legitimate and fun interacton that isnt game breaking, dont know why they took it out.
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: DustinFedora on April 02, 2016, 07:27:24 pm
I watched a lot of streamers playing that deck but I thought they reverted it last week.  It's a shame, because that seems like a legitimate and fun interacton that isnt game breaking, dont know why they took it out.

Still working as of this morning. I think they want to take it out because it was unintended and they feel deathrattles going off immediately when a minion dies is a more intuitive functionality.
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: DustinFedora on April 18, 2016, 02:36:31 pm
Aaaaaaaaaaaand they fixed it. Boo hiss.
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: DustinFedora on April 20, 2016, 12:41:18 pm
http://us.battle.net/hearthstone/en/blog/20097355/keeping-hearthstone-fresh-4-20-2016 (http://us.battle.net/hearthstone/en/blog/20097355/keeping-hearthstone-fresh-4-20-2016)

My initial reaction to the changes, as expressed in three categories:

Yes, good, thank you
Ancient of Lore
Force of Nature
Ironbeak Owl
Knife Juggler
Leper Gnome
Arcane Golem
Big Game Hunter
Molten Giant
Hunter's Mark

Too much, maybe
Keeper of the Grove (would have preferred 2/3)
Master of Disguise (I know they want to cut down on the "you can do nothing to prevent your death" moments, but I really liked the uniqueness of the card)
Blade Flurry (seems like they took all their frustration about the rogue class out on one card)

Not enough
Arena balance
Rogue cards
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: Jafaelo on April 21, 2016, 11:04:37 am
I pretty much agree.  There better be some crazy good rogue cards coming because they neutered a class that was only barely competitive.  Oil rogue is possibly my favorite deck, and now it won't even be viable in Wild.  I'm quite annoyed by this one.
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: Jafaelo on April 21, 2016, 11:08:26 am
I also think hunters mark was nerfed simply because of C'thun.  On turn 10 you could mark a big minion and push all that battle cry damage to face.
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: DustinFedora on April 21, 2016, 04:49:51 pm
I also think hunters mark was nerfed simply because of C'thun.  On turn 10 you could mark a big minion and push all that battle cry damage to face.

That makes sense.
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: ceeje on May 08, 2016, 10:57:09 am
So you know what's fun? Putting an 18/18 C'Thun on the board with Brann out
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: DustinFedora on May 08, 2016, 10:38:00 pm
So you know what's fun? Putting an 18/18 C'Thun on the board with Brann out

hehe, nice. My most fun so far has been with Evolve Shaman.
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: ceeje on May 09, 2016, 12:51:01 pm
hehe, nice. My most fun so far has been with Evolve Shaman.

I liked the deck I was watching you play with the other day. I'm going to have to build something similar
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: Jafaelo on May 09, 2016, 03:19:22 pm
I'm not loving hearthstone at the moment. Maybe it was getting totally shafted with my packs, maybe I'm just not into the direction they are taking it.  My time is being spent on overwatch these days.  I do like my N'Zoth paladin though, it's fun to resurrect Tirion, Sylvanas, and Cairn with one card.
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: DustinFedora on May 10, 2016, 08:08:35 pm
I did get very fortunate with packs and something I discovered whilst playing around with the Old Gods is that you don't need much for them to work well. Like, a 10/10 or 12/12 C'Thun is still pretty damn good, and a N'Zoth that brings back even just Sylvanas or Tirion is still pretty damn good. Hell, Yogg gets worse when you get a ton of spells.

I was thinking about this when I came across a deck from Kripparian which highlights the above findings:

(http://i.imgur.com/btRhh7w.png)

Yeah it's expensive on the Dust, I got really lucky with the packs.
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: ceeje on May 10, 2016, 09:34:48 pm
I did get very fortunate with packs and something I discovered whilst playing around with the Old Gods is that you don't need much for them to work well. Like, a 10/10 or 12/12 C'Thun is still pretty damn good, and a N'Zoth that brings back even just Sylvanas or Tirion is still pretty damn good. Hell, Yogg gets worse when you get a ton of spells.

I was thinking about this when I came across a deck from Kripparian which highlights the above findings:

([url]http://i.imgur.com/btRhh7w.png[/url])

Yeah it's expensive on the Dust, I got really lucky with the packs.


Jesus...all I opened was twin emps and yogg
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: Jafaelo on May 11, 2016, 12:33:18 am
Screw both of you, 67 packs and all i got was corrupted NAT FUCKING PAGLE.  You know, the card that gives your opponent cards?  Luckily I had some dust and made N'zotha and Happy Rag.
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: Holocaust on May 11, 2016, 02:13:25 pm
How many packs did you guys open?
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: DustinFedora on May 11, 2016, 07:27:32 pm
I've opened about 80ish so far and got 8 legendaries, including two golden. Like I said, super lucky  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: Jafaelo on May 11, 2016, 10:50:43 pm
YOU GO TO HELL
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: Jafaelo on May 12, 2016, 07:50:36 am
Anybody found any fun combinations with this week's brawl?  I had a good time with Flash of light/mind vision, and just playing with other people's decks.  Also Ice Block, Molten Giant was pretty effective.
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: ceeje on May 12, 2016, 11:57:43 am
Anybody found any fun combinations with this week's brawl?  I had a good time with Flash of light/mind vision, and just playing with other people's decks.  Also Ice Block, Molten Giant was pretty effective.

I had some decent luck with flamewarden/arcane missles
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: ceeje on May 12, 2016, 11:58:40 am
Oh and I played against a Druid mill with naturalize and oracle...that one pissed me off haha
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: DustinFedora on May 12, 2016, 03:24:34 pm
Oh and I played against a Druid mill with naturalize and oracle...that one pissed me off haha

Hahaha, being a mill Druid fanboy my first thought after seeing the brawl was Naturalize and something healing to survive against burn, but Oracle might be better to just try to push as fast as possible. Will definitely have to try later.
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: Jafaelo on May 12, 2016, 05:10:24 pm
It works, it's very effective.  Druid Mill and Ice block/molten are the two dominant decks from what I can see, and the mill deck owns the iceblock deck.
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: Zarniwoop on May 13, 2016, 11:42:11 pm
There seemed to be another version of the Mill Druid going around for a bit that is Oracle and Innervate. It's faster, but gets beat bad by the Naturalize/Oracle version
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: DustinFedora on May 14, 2016, 09:32:54 am
I guess I missed out on the fun part of the Brawl, where people were still experimenting and not just going for the quickest wins possible, because almost everyone I ran into (yesterday afternoon and this morning) played minion pump/rush decks.

Hunter: Mechwarper + Metaltooth Leaper
Rogue: Mechwarper + Iron Sensei
Warrior: Target Dummy + Bolster
Druid: Living Roots + Savage Roar

That accounted for like 25/30 opponents. Some of the others were interesting, though they all still get crushed by swarm.

Rogue: Deadly Poison + Sinister Strike
Druid: Innervate + Y'Shaarj (gets annihilated by Naturalize)
Druid: Innervate + Deathwing, Dragonlord (crushes Naturalize because the card draw happens before the deathrattle lulz)
Paladin: Humility + Forbidden Healing
Warlock: Soulfire + Fist of Jaraxxus

Edit: Oh! I forgot about a Priest who ran Mind Blast + Power Word: Glory. Probably still loses to the Mech swarms, but I liked the idea of it a lot.
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: DustinFedora on May 14, 2016, 10:06:41 am
YOU GO TO HELL

Actually I had forgotten about the free packs, so it was more like 90-95, but still, yeah...

Truth is though, you don't need a ton of wealth to make good decks, especially when it comes to legendaries. None of the new class legendaries are super must-have, so you can make a nice range of strong decks with just N'Zoth and Twin Emperor. There aren't any new epics I would say are auto-include-two either.

As an example, the deck I've had the most fun (that is, combination of neat plays and wins) with so far is Reno Rogue (Evolve Shaman close 2nd). This deck sports 9(!) legendaries, but let's take a look at them:

Bloodmage Thalnos, Sylvanas Windrunner: Both top 5 crafting priority since Beta unless you've been playing strictly aggro, though I would understand not having Thalnos if you haven't played much Rogue, Mage, or Shaman. Sylvanas is necessary but Thalnos can be replaced.

Brann Bronzebeard, Emperor Thaurissan, Reno Jackson: All guaranteed with Adventures that, let's face it, Blizzard basically forces us to buy. Don't get me wrong, I've liked them a lot so far, but it's not a consumer-friendly business model as we can't trust them to always be high quality.

C'thun, N'Zoth, Twin Emperor: C'thun is free and the other two are easily the #1 and 2 crafting priorities from WotOG as they can form the backbone of a solid deck in any class.  If you want wins, play zoo :P. But if you want wins with midrange/control, get these guys.

And Xaril, who is good, but by no means crucial. Yeah the cards he gives are nice, but there are plenty of other good 4-drops, like Southsea Squidface.
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: Jafaelo on May 14, 2016, 08:27:00 pm
I was mainly just bitching that you opened all those legendaries and I'm 70 packs in and only have one, and it's arguably one of the worst of the xpac.
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Post by: Jafaelo on May 14, 2016, 08:51:42 pm
Also, roll over those flood decks with Mana Wyrm/Frost Nova :)
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Post by: ceeje on May 14, 2016, 10:47:12 pm
Also, roll over those flood decks with Mana Wyrm/Frost Nova :)

Oh sweet Jesus how did I not think of that one?  :-o
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Post by: ceeje on May 21, 2016, 02:42:18 pm
Well that was fun. I just had a Sylvannas steal a C'Thun  :mrgreen:
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Post by: Jafaelo on May 22, 2016, 12:31:36 am
I had a similar moment of awesomeness, after painstakingly waiting for my opponent to fill his board with high value minions, I rubbed my hands together with glee, and played Equality - Wild Pyromancer.  The next turn I was pummeled by a board full of one health minions.
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Post by: ceeje on May 22, 2016, 07:34:57 am
Oh god I know the feeling  :|
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Post by: Holocaust on May 23, 2016, 09:07:26 am
So it activated the damage before it set their health?
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Post by: Jafaelo on May 23, 2016, 03:51:57 pm
No, it set their health to 1.  Then the minion went down and I had no way to activate him.  So I was faced with a board of strong 1 health minions, and all I had was a 2/3 wild pyro.  If you play Wild Pyro first, then equality, their health gets set to 1, then the pyro does his 1 damage to everyone, and everything dies... 4 mana board clear.
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: Holocaust on May 25, 2016, 09:25:06 am
I had a Warrior kicking my ass, he had like 21 health and he had 6 on the board after having used up most of his deck and even pulling the golden monkey so he only had legendaries left.  I had like 20 health or something as a Priest, no minions out and no cards in my hand.  He plays Yogg-Saron which plays a random spell on random people for every spell he'd done that game.  His first one heals me to 28 health, then the second one that's played is DOOM! Which destroys all minions on the board (all 7 of his) and then draws a card for each one that died.  He only had 1 card left in his deck, so he took all the fatigue damage of 7 minions which killed him.
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Post by: Jafaelo on May 25, 2016, 09:42:16 am
hahaha nice!  I see a lot of people playing Yogg when they are near fatigue, sounds like a bad idea.  I'm not as in love with that card as a lot of people.  I much prefer N'Zoth.
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Post by: ceeje on May 25, 2016, 09:09:42 pm
hahaha nice!  I see a lot of people playing Yogg when they are near fatigue, sounds like a bad idea.  I'm not as in love with that card as a lot of people.  I much prefer N'Zoth.

I love fucking around with Yogg Mage only in casual games...I can't play ranked with him or I get jobbed
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Post by: ceeje on June 04, 2016, 06:30:36 pm
Eric here's that shaman deck I was playing with
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Post by: DustinFedora on June 15, 2016, 02:56:55 pm
Oh man, just had a hilarious game.

So I'm playing this silly Malygos Druid deck against a C'Thun Warrior. Game gets off to a reasonable start, but my opponent had good answers and I drew badly into the midgame, so with 8 mana I have Moonfire, Malygos, Innervate, Innervate in hand and nothing on board. My opponent has 25 health and a Ravaging Ghoul out.

So I Innervate out Maly, because I literally can't do anything else, and pray he doesn't have Execute. He doesn't, instead just playing Elise, armoring, and attacking face.

My turn I draw Raven Idol, choose a Starfire, which I use on his face for 10 damage and it draws me Living Roots, which together with Moonfire and a Maly swing is exact lethal.  :mrgreen:
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Post by: Jafaelo on June 15, 2016, 06:30:20 pm
Haha awesome!  My go to deck these days has also been a Malygos druid with Yogg.  I did have one turn where I had Malygos out and Raven idoled into Raven idol into Raven idol into Living Roots for lethal.  Such a fun deck.
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Post by: DustinFedora on June 16, 2016, 01:02:22 am
This is the decklist I've been running.

2x
Innervate
Moonfire
Living Roots
Raven Idol
Wild Growth
Wrath
Feral Rage
Swipe
Violet Teacher
Starfall
Azure Drake
Nourish

1x
Doomsayer
Thalnos
Fandral
Thaurissan
Malygos
Yogg

I've only managed to pull off the Innervate(s) + Fandral + Nourish into Wrath = four minion damage, four draw turn once so far, but man was it fun.
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: Jafaelo on June 16, 2016, 08:07:52 am
I wish I had Fandral :(.

I subbed in Power of the Wild instead of Wild Growth.  I just love its synergy with Violet teacher, and the deck needs a 2 drop bad, PotW fills two roles.  I also have Mire Keeper instead of Azure Drake... but I think the Drake is definitely better.
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Post by: Jafaelo on June 16, 2016, 08:11:39 am
While we're talkin decklists.  I stole this idea from Reynad, but it's super damn fun to play.  It's a buff paladin that actually wins games.  I always thought the Djinni of Zephyrs was a stupid card til I played it in this deck, worth a shot if you have a paladin quest.

Reynad's also had the new King Krush that gives you the two buff cards, but there was no way I was crafting that shit. :p
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: Holocaust on June 22, 2016, 06:41:41 pm
I just thoughtstole a C'Thun from another priest.  I played his on turn 10 for 16 damage with taunt.  He didnt surrender.  I played my C'Thun on turn 11 for 17 damage and another taunt.  Was so giddy I ran to my PC to type this up!  He only had like 11 health before turn 11 and I was still at 28.  Still had to use his C'Thun to kill him though.
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Post by: Jafaelo on June 22, 2016, 08:17:37 pm
 :-o

fuckin priests.
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Post by: ceeje on July 10, 2016, 09:02:17 am
One of you sukkas needs to play today so I can get my pack
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: Jafaelo on August 01, 2016, 10:36:38 pm
I have to share with someone this game I just had.  I was playing N'Zoth paladin against a Yogg-n-load hunter.  It was a long game, and he spent it casting so many spells, and Lock-n-loading into so much removal for my big deathrattle minions.  He played tracking 4 times, he infested, he played probably 2 dozen spells.  When he finally got to play Yogg, I had just healed to 29 with Forbidden Healing and he was at 6, I see the Yogg and think, here we go for a 30 minute Yogg Saron.  Nope.  The first spell cast is a mortal strike to his own face, game over.  Such a long buildup for nothing.
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Post by: DustinFedora on August 02, 2016, 12:26:00 am
I have to share with someone this game I just had.  I was playing N'Zoth paladin against a Yogg-n-load hunter.  It was a long game, and he spent it casting so many spells, and Lock-n-loading into so much removal for my big deathrattle minions.  He played tracking 4 times, he infested, he played probably 2 dozen spells.  When he finally got to play Yogg, I had just healed to 29 with Forbidden Healing and he was at 6, I see the Yogg and think, here we go for a 30 minute Yogg Saron.  Nope.  The first spell cast is a mortal strike to his own face, game over.  Such a long buildup for nothing.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah ahahahahahahaha fuck hunter.
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Post by: Holocaust on August 02, 2016, 12:52:57 am
That's friggin hilarious!
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Post by: Jafaelo on August 02, 2016, 07:41:48 am
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha fuck hunter.

It was my 3rd hunter in a row, the first 2 beat me, it felt really really good.
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: Zarniwoop on August 30, 2016, 12:06:28 am
Last brawl I got a Confessor out and the next turn Herald Volazj was a draw option.  :mrgreen:
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Post by: Jafaelo on August 30, 2016, 08:52:37 am
The sad thing is that on matches like that people concede and ruin your fun. :(

Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: Holocaust on August 30, 2016, 09:54:04 am
I never concede.  I love seeing how bad it would get and what else they had.
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Post by: Jafaelo on September 23, 2016, 09:13:19 am
So today I decided to add Prince Malchezzar to my control warrior deck because I haven't played him and he sounds fun.  I only saw 3 of the legendaries he gave me, but let me list them in the order they appeared:

The Boogeymonster
Nat Pagle, the Darkfisher
Majordomo Executus

I believe the hearthstone gods are saying that card is not for me.  (I did go on to win with those 3 never getting played).
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Post by: ceeje on September 24, 2016, 09:25:56 am
So today I decided to add Prince Malchezzar to my control warrior deck because I haven't played him and he sounds fun.  I only saw 3 of the legendaries he gave me, but let me list them in the order they appeared:

The Boogeymonster
Nat Pagle, the Darkfisher
Majordomo Executus

I believe the hearthstone gods are saying that card is not for me.  (I did go on to win with those 3 never getting played).

I feel you re: hearthstone gods...I tried the yogg Druid deck that everyone is so excited about, and played yogg 3 times in the first 5 games. Yogg killed me once and destroyed my minions and buffed the enemy minions the other two times
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Post by: Jafaelo on September 24, 2016, 09:56:32 pm
Yogg is a cruel master, but we praise him nonetheless.

Praise Yogg.
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Post by: ceeje on September 25, 2016, 10:22:01 am
Praise Yogg
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Post by: Jafaelo on September 25, 2016, 06:00:55 pm
I continue to get terrible cards from Prince Malchezzar, but the last 2 games I got a Lorewalker Cho that I'm pretty sure won me the game.  On one game the warlock refused to play any removal spells and let me grow my board, on the other the rogue went all in and ignored it and gave me a bunch of useful stuff.  Lorewalker Bro comes through!
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Post by: ceeje on October 08, 2016, 08:17:12 pm
If anyone is interested, I have the play a friend quest. Easy 80 gold
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Post by: Holocaust on October 09, 2016, 08:18:48 pm
I have it, too.
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Post by: DustinFedora on October 14, 2016, 05:39:23 am
Latest Brawl, where you pick one card and it makes up 22 cards of your deck, I need Warlock wins so on a lark I choose Curse of Rafaam. Just to be funny.

As luck would have it I face up against a Mage who chose Frost Nova. Mwahahahahaha.

After that I went with Dark Peddler for easy wins.
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Post by: ceeje on October 14, 2016, 07:17:53 am
I went with Ice Lance Mage. it was...interesting
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Post by: Jafaelo on October 14, 2016, 10:44:14 am
I got a win with Paladin!  Only took 4 games.  Used Seal of Light (+2 to hero attack, heal for 4).  I would not recommend doing this brawl with paladin, but I am stubborn.

I tried an all Forbidden Healing deck, went 13 turns but didnt get enemy past 26 health :p.
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Post by: ceeje on October 27, 2016, 11:11:07 pm
Playing control warrior. Mage has me at 12 health and I have 6 armor, he is still at 30 health. I have justicar on the field, he plays ysera. Sylvannas -> shield slam -> steal ysera -> Mage ragequits. I literally laughed out loud
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Post by: Jafaelo on October 27, 2016, 11:45:53 pm
Ragequits are the best wins.  Well done.
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Post by: Jafaelo on October 29, 2016, 02:50:19 pm
Did anybody pick a player for the Blizzcon tournament?  Amnesiac is getting me some mad packs.
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Post by: Zarniwoop on October 29, 2016, 10:28:35 pm
Are the packs just being given out at the end?
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: ceeje on October 30, 2016, 10:19:54 am
Did anybody pick a player for the Blizzcon tournament?  Amnesiac is getting me some mad packs.

No because I forgot /sadface
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Post by: Jafaelo on October 30, 2016, 01:40:33 pm
Yeah they hand them out after its all over.  I think it's one for each round win and 8 for the overall winner.
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Post by: DustinFedora on October 31, 2016, 04:01:21 am
Knowing nothing about any of the contenders, I picked one at random. Being a total nerd, I actually did make it truly random. Wound up with handsomeguy, who went 1-2 in Group A.

Fun Fact: Granted it was more skewed than the other groups, but Shaman was banned 9/10 times in Group A.
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: Holocaust on October 31, 2016, 09:08:58 am
I have no idea what yall are talking about.
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Post by: Jafaelo on October 31, 2016, 09:43:33 am
Well thanks for chiming in!  Blizzard is giving away free packs if you pick the winner of the Hearthstone Championships.  You had to pick a player before they started last week.  You get a pack just for doing it, one for each round they win, and 8 if they win the whole thing.  I picked Amnesiac who is a 15 year old American player.  This was all very prominent in the launcher and on all forms of Blizzard social media.

Handsomeguy was actually the number 2 pick to go all the way.  Number 1 was Thijs who was eliminated in the first round as well.
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Post by: Jafaelo on October 31, 2016, 01:45:37 pm
Hmm... guess I was wrong, you can still get in on the finals.

http://us.battle.net/hearthstone/en/blog/20303036/choose-your-champion-10-20-2016 (http://us.battle.net/hearthstone/en/blog/20303036/choose-your-champion-10-20-2016)
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Post by: Holocaust on October 31, 2016, 01:58:47 pm
Cool, I picked the meowth guy.
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Post by: Jafaelo on October 31, 2016, 02:03:15 pm
Just for the super troopers connection?
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Post by: Holocaust on November 01, 2016, 09:53:32 am
Haha, I dunno the dude was 2-0 and from USA.  Gotta support the country!
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Post by: Jafaelo on November 06, 2016, 10:47:04 am
Fucking Pavel and his RNG bullshit.  Amnesiac had that series and then pavel gets a fucking polymorph from a babbling book, followed up by a firelands portal.
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Post by: ceeje on November 06, 2016, 12:10:45 pm
Ouch
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Post by: Jafaelo on November 08, 2016, 09:13:56 am
Only 3 packs, but one was pretty good. Thanks Amnesiac!
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Post by: ceeje on November 12, 2016, 12:13:02 pm
Sigh is there anything more annoying than facing three cthun druids in a row?
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: DustinFedora on November 12, 2016, 03:02:05 pm
Sigh is there anything more annoying than facing three cthun druids in a row?

Shaman
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: ceeje on November 16, 2016, 11:40:39 pm
Decided to put together a control warrior for the tavern brawl...ran into 2 shamans and 2 other control warriors (won only a single game) :/
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: Jafaelo on November 17, 2016, 09:37:14 pm
I haven't tried it yet, they say play what you know.  I've been rocking ladder with Secret Hunter, and I may try that.
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Post by: DustinFedora on December 01, 2016, 03:22:07 pm
20 packs = 8 Jade Spirits, two of them gold
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: Jafaelo on December 01, 2016, 05:00:49 pm
Opened 30 packs before I saw my first legendary (only 4 epics besides that).  I hear the pity timer is 39 packs, so that is cutting it close.  Ended up with 3 legendaries and 9 epics for 5200 gold.  Pretty shitty.  Still better than Old Gods.
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Post by: DustinFedora on December 02, 2016, 01:09:51 am
Opened 30 packs before I saw my first legendary (only 4 epics besides that).  I hear the pity timer is 39 packs, so that is cutting it close.  Ended up with 3 legendaries and 9 epics for 5200 gold.  Pretty shitty.  Still better than Old Gods.

I thought the legendary occurrence was like 1/20,  which would make 3/52 pretty decent?
Title: Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
Post by: Jafaelo on December 02, 2016, 06:14:52 pm
I guess.  But i see so many youtubes and hear stories of so much more.
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Post by: Jafaelo on December 02, 2016, 07:14:49 pm
I just had a fun turn.  Playing priest against druid.  I thought stole his Kun The Forgotten King, on turn ten I played that, refreshed my mana, then Forbidden shaping and got deathwing.  A 7/7 and a 12/12 on turn ten is prrretty good.
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Post by: ceeje on December 02, 2016, 08:36:26 pm
Opened 30 packs before I saw my first legendary (only 4 epics besides that).  I hear the pity timer is 39 packs, so that is cutting it close.  Ended up with 3 legendaries and 9 epics for 5200 gold.  Pretty shitty.  Still better than Old Gods.

56 packs, 4 legendaries (1 gold), 8 epics...so not a whole lot better. But I did get my first orange in my 7th or 8th pack, though
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Post by: Jafaelo on December 03, 2016, 11:08:33 am
What do you guys think of my updated Pants Paladin for  MSoG?  I've wanted to do a proper buff pally forever, and this one is performing pretty well so far with my limited games, any card suggestions?
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Post by: ceeje on December 03, 2016, 12:52:57 pm
Looks like fun. I might have to try it out
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Post by: DustinFedora on December 04, 2016, 03:58:14 am
Oh man, Mayor Noggenfogger even randomizes which emote you say. That's awesome.
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Post by: Jafaelo on December 04, 2016, 10:45:55 am
Yeah, and you can still get the old "sorry" emote they removed. :p
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Post by: ceeje on December 25, 2016, 08:53:28 pm
Hahahaha just played a Druid that played Yogg that immediately holy fired itself