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Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
« Reply #45 on: November 01, 2015, 07:21:17 pm »
PJ:  :mrgreen:

Jordan: I suck at this game. So ill take your word for it and adjust accordingly

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Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
« Reply #46 on: November 02, 2015, 12:58:18 am »
OK, I don't know what you're missing but I would replace Justicar Trueheart with another shredder.   Dr. Boom really is irreplaceable, but like Jordan Said, maybe a piloted sky golem if you have it.  There have also been a few times I've wished for a flamestrike, so you could go with that.  I'd probably go with Nefarian in place of Rag, kinda feel like Nefarian belongs in the deck more than Rag, but that extra 1 mana cost is huge when you get that late in the game.

Yeah, that would still be a strong deck.  Trueheart = shredder, Dr. Boom = Flamestrike, Ragnaros = Nefarian

As for tips, remember the point of this deck.  It is strong and competitive, but it is HEAVY RNG.  A lot of the times all your arcane missiles will go the wrong way, and your portals will dump Loremaster Cho's in your lap, and your shredders will drop Darnassus Aspirants and you will just lose.  Knowing that going in makes it easier to not get salty.  I play this deck when I'm tired of losing with my mid range paladin or control warrior which are carefully crafted expensive skill-based decks.  With this i can say "fuck it, lets see what happens", and often times what happens is someone plays Tirion into Mirror Entity and I bathe in their tears.
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Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
« Reply #47 on: November 02, 2015, 08:25:31 am »
(Im missing all your decks legendaries)

i went with a second shredder, a second mirror entity, and lotheb. Jordan and I went back and forth on the second mirror versus the flamestrike. But i like the idea of adding Nefarian.

Thoughts?

I understand the RNG side of it. I love this deck a lot so far at the 20-17 level. the randomness makes it easier to accept a loss.

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Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
« Reply #48 on: November 03, 2015, 12:07:22 pm »

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Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
« Reply #49 on: November 03, 2015, 03:41:41 pm »
WHO wants to carry me?? k thx. http://us.battle.net/hearthstone/en/blog/19932702


I've got time tomorrow afternoon/evening before the raid.

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Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
« Reply #50 on: November 03, 2015, 05:32:25 pm »
Ooooh man, could this Tavern Brawl be a teaser for a possible upcoming co-op mode possibly to be announced at blizzcon this weekend?   It has to be some kind of test for it, right? 

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Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
« Reply #51 on: November 03, 2015, 07:00:59 pm »
Ooooh man, could this Tavern Brawl be a teaser for a possible upcoming co-op mode possibly to be announced at blizzcon this weekend?   It has to be some kind of test for it, right?

Are you talking about a co-op vs. AI Adventure (Naxx, Blackrock) expansion, or a 2v2 pvp mode? Because 2v2 pvp would be terrible without a ton of changes. Hearthstone is already a swingy game, and team modes always make games swingier. To make 2v2 pvp interesting they would have to put way more design and development hours into it than I think Blizzard wants to, especially as team modes, no matter how good, are never as popular as 1v1.

The expansion thing could work though.

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Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
« Reply #52 on: November 04, 2015, 02:56:48 pm »
Just won the Tavern Brawl.
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Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
« Reply #53 on: November 04, 2015, 04:01:50 pm »
Id like to thank Eric for the Casino Mage deck and the help from PJ and Jordan for helping me tweek it. I got all the way to lv 15 which is a first for me.

id also like to thank Eric for the Arena overlay helper. I went 3-3 then 5-3 both a first for me

i would have gotten at least 6 wins but Jordan was witness to me getting fucked over big time

question: is there any ranking system to the Arena system?

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Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
« Reply #54 on: November 04, 2015, 05:20:57 pm »
no but the game tracks your best arena run.  Its on the same page that shows what levels all your classes are.  Congrats on rank 15 man, that's pretty sweet.

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Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
« Reply #55 on: November 05, 2015, 12:26:00 am »
And there's a type of in-the-moment ranking for Arena in that you face opponents with the same number of wins as you (starting at 2 I believe). I think it's always someone with the exact same number of wins, but I'm not positive. All I know for sure is that as you get more wins you're more likely to face opponents with better and better card quality in their decks. This doesn't mean that a low-quality deck will automatically lose, but it's something to keep in mind. eg - Using a good spell (like Fireball) to take out the Yeti your opponent coined out on turn 3 might not be a terrible choice at 2 or 3 wins since it's quite possible your opponent doesn't have another 4drop in hand; however, at 6 or 7 wins it's more likely that your opponent will have another threat that your Fireball might be better suited to dealing with.
Quite a while ago (nearly 2 years), Jordan sent me this link: http://www.starcitygames.com/magic/fundamentals/3692_Whos_The_Beatdown.html
It's an article about MTG, but it still has relevancy for Hearthstone since in HS there is one "aggro" deck and one "control" deck. In constructed it's usually pretty clear which is which since each deck is put together to perform one function or the other based on its matchup, but in Arena it's more difficult to determine what your role is when going into a match. Not only do you often not have a cohesive theme (lots of charge/lots of taunt/spell combos/etc), but the playstyle of your deck can vary just from game to game based on what you draw. If you draw all your low-cost and/or charge minions early on chances are you're going to be the aggro deck that game. If you drew your spells and your lowest minion cost is 3 or 4, you're probably going to be the control.
One of the reasons I like Arena is that it varies so much from match to match. To me, a lot of constructed matches are either getting a good matchup (or a not-bad matchup) or drawing your win condition. Arena is less about a deck's "win condition" and more about how well you can adapt to the match you're in and the cards you have. Of course, it's also frustrating as all hell when you get to 5 wins, have a pretty good deck, but get 3 losses in a row by drawing all of your shitty cards; but to me that is no more frustrating than losing a ranked game to someone who got the perfect cards.
Ugh, I'm all scuttled out!

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Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
« Reply #56 on: November 05, 2015, 08:21:40 am »
I have seen streamers get the same guy two times in a row in arena, so I don't think you face people with the exact same stats, they just try to get it as close as possible.  It is also why you shouldn't get too discouraged if you lose your first game.  You are facing other virgin decks, so you may be facing a future 12 win deck, but the matchmaking system doesn't know it yet.

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Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
« Reply #57 on: November 06, 2015, 06:47:38 am »
Decided to try out the HearthArena overlay and it works pretty much exactly as I thought/hoped it would. Gives you the raw rankings for each card you see as well as a blurb of advice on which card to choose. Usually it just advises you to pick the best (ie highest ranked) card but not always. And even so, it's nice not to have to tab out or have the ranking window open on another screen.
Be careful tho since the overlay app requires a program called Overwolf which caused a looooot of problems in WoW when I swapped over from HS without closing Overwolf. I was able to just close Overwolf and /reload WoW to get it working (no full relog required), but it's something to be aware of if you decide to get the overlay app.
Lastly, this was my final choice for my arena draft.... Probably the single worst set of cards I've ever seen.

Edit: I finished 4-3 after an 0-2 start. Sadly my last loss came to a deck that, if what I saw is representative of the whole, will get 8-10 wins :/
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Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
« Reply #58 on: November 06, 2015, 08:13:08 am »
Wow.  Did you pick the watchman?  What did heartharena say in that awful choice?  I love it when you're in arena and you see someone play a card like Murloc Tidecaller and you think "What the fuck choices was THAT up against to make him pick it?"

I also love it when you're in arena and you see the screen flash orange.  "Sweet!  Legendaries!" Then you see your choice of Lorewalker Cho, Nat Pagle, or Captain Greenskin.  That's just depressing.

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Re: A couple of youse play Hearthstone, right?
« Reply #59 on: November 06, 2015, 09:34:51 am »
HearthArena said to pick the Target Dummy so I did (I decided that for the first run I was going to pick what it said no matter what). After playing it out (and getting the target dummy in the top 10 cards every game) I think I should have picked the Watchman. I also had 2 Regents, the fencing dude (as shown in pic), and a Coldarra drake, so I was using my hero power fairly often and thus could probably have activated the Watchman most of the time. In the end I doubt it would have made a difference.

Sidenote: I find it interesting that the overlay app didn't get included in the screenshot. I've tried to go thru Overwolf's settings to see how to get a screenshot thru that rather than thru HS, but I can't find anything that says how to make Overwolf take the screenshot.
Also, the overlay provides your deck list onscreen as you play which I find quite helpful. All in all, quite a handy app, but by no means necessary to do well.
Ugh, I'm all scuttled out!

 

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